A decent round, though it is outclassed by 12 gauge shells and. Jhp ammo search the jacketed hollow point jhp is designed to expand rapidly when hitting its target, which increases the effectiveness of the bullet and decreases the chances of overpenetration. So i know a guy who knows a guy who owns a walther ppk. This is the same ammo used in the late 20th century by various military rifles, including the m16. Answered feb 2, 2018 author has 127 answers and 64. In only 1 instance so far have they been fired in earnest and it was a nonfatal one shot fight stopper. Recently i mentioned to my brother i kept 380 winchester full metal jackets flatnose in my ppk. What is the difference between an fmj round and an ap round. Of course, given the way ammo works in fallout youre almost always going to want jhp. Full metal jacket fmj or fmc refers to the copper or steel alloy coating on the bullet to reduce lead residue left in the barrel after firing. Its also due to the fact that, from a put the attacker down point of view, fmj rounds arent exactly ideal.
Jhp is always the superior choice, followed by fmj. So i guess this is my real question, is there any accuracy. Accuracy of fmj vs jhp the leading glock forum and. This is mainly due to the fact that fmj rounds are significantly cheaper than your average hollow point. The reason i shoot fmj at the range is simple price. A fmj bullet is very tough, and has pretty good penetration without sacrificing good expansion. Thats not to say that fmj rounds are useless for defense. May 23, 2016 this is mainly due to the fact that fmj rounds are significantly cheaper than your average hollow point. Winchester ammunition 45 grain jacketed hollowpoint jhp ammo details. Jul 16, 2012 a jhp would be best for 9x19mm luger and probably most semiauto pistol rounds.
The jhp variant is, as usual, superior to the fmj ammo type. You actually have to see the bullet in question to know the real deal. Fmj will not stop an aggressor as fast as a jhp unless it hits cns tissue central nervous system or bone structure and most folks are not good enough to hit cns and bone in a dynamic confrontation. If you have nothing else to feed your xd at the moment, fmjs. He pointed out that the one hp load that penetrated 9 of gelatin was also the one that had the least expansion. Courier vs lone wanderer vs soul survivor who would win. For a larger hunting cartridge, you probably want a sp or one of the more than a dozen different different hunting bullets. I dont understand the exact reasons why, but armourpiercing ammo just sucks in this game, and youre better off not using it even against armoured foes. I read in some magazine iirc by someone supposedly well known and respected that 45 jhp is not really necessary and one should only use fmj or maybe fmj gets the job done just fine. Hollow point is more leathal than fmj is a myth page 2. Oct 31, 2010 accuracy of fmj vs jhp i plink and target shoot, but also do some competition shooting mostly for fun but i want to win, and for personal defense.
I currently have winchester ranger sxt 147 or 124 grain. The jacketed hollow point jhp is designed to expand rapidly when hitting its target, which increases the effectiveness of the bullet and decreases the chances of overpenetration. Expanding fmj is designed to improve feeding with the same expansion as a hollow point. I also have a m sauer, m03 colt, sauer 38h, cz27, and walther pp. Feb 03, 2010 for example cci blazer brass says fmj bullet with a protected base. This is for 45s, is there any reason why i shouldnt use jhp for plinking. Hog medicine fmj brass fmj jhp and hard cast page 2 10mm. This is a real issue for me, and i would appreciate input to help me decide which ammo i want to carry for self defense. In just two years 9596, 41 of the 121 people hit by nypd bullets were hit by nypd bullets that went through somebody else first. Ap is, in the first place, more expensive, and although it does penetrate a bit more than jhp. In a given weight, a hollow point is usually longer, giving more bearing surface, especially in handgun ammunition, look at 45acp ball next to a hp and you will see a big difference. For penetration and destruction of a target behind auto glass no handgun is reliable.
Also fmj penetrates alot as in through the agressor and on into other things like maybe an innocent person. A local fellow had to shoot a guy with his sig 220 loaded with 230 grain fmj ball, again nonfatal one shot fight stopper. Hes asking whether to load fmj or jhp, purely for selfdefense. Fmj bullets are not advised for hunting applications for the same reason target bullets are not used. Discussion in firearms started by survivalmonkey360, feb 15, 2010. The m reliably uses 65gr jhp magtechs ive carried it a few times as does the m03 colt. Fmj s are cheaper than most jhp s so are therefore often used as range rounds. Page 2 of 2 fmj 45 vs 9 jhp and i was saying that the 9 jhp expanded more than. Accuracy of fmj vs jhp i plink and target shoot, but also do some competition shooting mostly for fun but i want to win, and for personal defense. The fmj are arguably more readily available and are a very consistent round.
So, it is considered that fmj bullets produce cleaner kills vs enemy soldiers. Oct 31, 2007 full metal jacket bullet power vs jacketed hollow point bullet power tested on bottles of water. Stockpiling for shtf, the best fmj 9mm you get ahold of cheaply. Full metal jacket bullet power vs jacketed hollow point bullet power tested on bottles of water. Most fmj have an exposed base that can be a bit less even than most jhp w enclosed base. The fmj does have quite a few drawbacks, especially when it is concerning your life that is on the line. Another reason why cheapo jhps have been popular in competition is that all jhps always have a closed base. Personally, i carry fmj in my p32 because i had read the same things on penetration vs. Against people a fmj would probably work just fine for. Fmj, for full metal jacket has a layer of copper over the lead core of a bullet. In this case there arent going to be many doctors to help people out. I am not new to reloading but i have never come across this before. And also fmj bullets tend to yaw tumble after they hit solid object like bone.
Congrats, thats a pretty big porker and a 308 to the head pretty much puts the lights out on most game i. So hague convention in 1899 if i am not mistaken, banned use of any bullets other than fmj, in war, by military personnel. Fmjs are cheaper than most jhps so are therefore often used as range rounds. Fmj is also most reliable cycling and multi purpose. Dont tell me that 223 is designed for wounding, thats bunch of bs, besides, back then this referred to 303, 7. I am thinking i want to buy jhp to do all these things i mentioned, but dont want to lose accuracy when shooting competition. Nov 04, 2011 i am not new to reloading but i have never come across this before. Jacketed hollow point jhp hollow point rounds have a hollowed out center. Page 2 of 2 fmj vs jhp discussion in the 1911 forum started by rocklinskier, dec 2, 2009. The epic rpg from black isle studios, the producers of baldurs gate and fallout 2. Theres a strong consensus that a key to an uptimum hunting bullet including accuracy is one that transfers all of its energy into the subject prey while creating a. For fallout 2 on the pc, armorammo guide by hunterz0. Im not sure what your options are for ball ammo in the p. This rounds are definitely capable of killing 3 people in a row, and last 2 probably even 5.
As the torrent of water dried up for the first time in thousands of years, it revealed. Saying that fmj is cheaper and has killed lots of enemy combatants as a military round is not compelling to me. It stands to reason that a jhp that performs as designed will result in a higher incidence of quick stops compared to a fmj smaller then bullet dia. If you have nothing else to feed your xd at the moment, fmj s will work as sd rounds. Arguing that jhp create effective wound characteristics in gel doesnt overcome my concern about feed reliability. Seen several vc shot with them, drt one or two shots. He seemed shocked i do not have jacketed hollow points. I am no expert in ballistics, but i think he would be better to having regular. I cant remember where i saw it but i read that the short barrelled compact and sub compact 9mms didnt produce enough velocity for the heavier jhp rounds to expand. A jhp would be best for 9x19mm luger and probably most semiauto pistol rounds. Jul 17, 20 fmj is also most reliable cycling and multi purpose. So shooting jhp vs open base fmj will be a little cleaner. Fallout 2tactics strategywiki, the video game walkthrough and.
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